Interview with a sheep herding champion

Was surprised and pleased to see an interview with sheep herding champion Patrick Shanahan and his champion sheepdog Riggs over at Coffee with a Canine.  They won the USBCHA National Championships this year.  Short but interesting interview.  I'm not super crazy into herding or anything but I do find it interesting and with Nationals being in Carbondale, CO next year, a little over a 3 hour drive, maybe I'll go watch.  And while my dogs always will come from rescue if we were living in some weird hypothetical world where all dogs had homes and the only way to get one was through a breeder he's one of the very very few that I would consider.