tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post4807226563459883110..comments2024-01-08T01:20:20.736-07:00Comments on Days of Speed and Slowtime Mondays: OutsideElaynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02734583197185810124noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-4074052724822783502008-06-06T13:42:00.000-06:002008-06-06T13:42:00.000-06:00Oooh, scary, I know! :-)Oooh, scary, I know! :-)Elfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827436807468320435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-12923734507317315412008-06-06T13:21:00.000-06:002008-06-06T13:21:00.000-06:00Well, maybe I'll just have to put my head on the c...Well, maybe I'll just have to put my head on the chopping block and ask.Elaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734583197185810124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-14591605786053254712008-06-06T10:55:00.000-06:002008-06-06T10:55:00.000-06:00This would be a question to keep in mind at the Su...This would be a question to keep in mind at the Susan Garrett seminar.<BR/><BR/>-ellenElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827436807468320435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-71020300332480081412008-06-06T08:55:00.000-06:002008-06-06T08:55:00.000-06:00I'm no clicker expert either and I've read discuss...I'm no clicker expert either and I've read discussions about whether or not the click ends the behavior and in tne end it makes my head hurt :) In my mind the click ends up meaning whatever you train it to mean whether advertently or inadvertently. So I agree, if I train a behavior to require a release word then I expect the dog to remain doing whatever until that release and I can click & treat multiple times before the release. But if I set up a training scenario poorly as I feel that video suggested with the weaves then I'm inadvertently teaching that the click ends the behavior in that scenario, ie I click the entry, dog pops out upon hearing the click and I have to reward so I'm teaching that yes you can stop what you're doing when I click. I think the key is to set it up so that you reward the start of the behavior chain until that part's solid then add stuff on and reward that and I think that's what you're saying. Or maybe it's too early in the morning to be thinking about this stuff without having had any caffeine.Elaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734583197185810124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-82263547707693929382008-06-05T15:22:00.000-06:002008-06-05T15:22:00.000-06:00I agree with you that if you click, you must treat...I agree with you that if you click, you must treat. Otherwise thet click loses its significance as a secondary reinforcer (sure hope that's the right terminology--I'm by no means a clicker guru!). I think that most people don't believe the click ends the behavior any more. A click just means, "That was great & a reward is coming," but if it's a stationary behavior, the release ends it. With moving behaviors it's more difficult. Weaves are actually a behavior chain, and I personally don't feel comforable rewarding unless the entire chain is performed correctly. But I build up to that so each "gate" is rewarded in training. Maybe I'm just not a talented clicker trainer to not be able to isolate and reward one piece of a behavior chain. It just doesn't make sense to me (as it didn't to you).Kathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13545617827996043666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-18049976212564179402008-06-05T07:41:00.000-06:002008-06-05T07:41:00.000-06:00Rewarding the dog as you're describing makes total...Rewarding the dog as you're describing makes total sense. I was taught that the click ends the behavior so if I click the entry and Strum pops out to get his treat he's following the rules. Some people do that, click the entry and let them pop out but I don't like that idea. I like the 2-3 pole idea, that way you don't have to stop them in the poles to reward but we did a lot of work with 2 poles/entries and it doesn't seem to be transferring to 6 poles. Maybe 3 is the magic number.Elaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02734583197185810124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-11345288.post-63450913022480204352008-06-04T17:49:00.000-06:002008-06-04T17:49:00.000-06:00Love the "who me?" photo. I have done some clickin...Love the "who me?" photo. <BR/><BR/>I have done some clicking for weave entries when the dogs were learning, but I rewarded inside the poles at the next position they were heading for. Hard to explain without a photo, but say they went between 1 & 2 and I clicked for making the turn into 2/3, then the reward would be on the left side of pole 4, which is where the nose should be going next. I mean right on the pole's left side where the nose should be going. And I varied it a bit so I was sometimes clicking the exact entry and rewarding a pole after that, or maybe doing 2 or 3 poles and click/reward after that, etc.<BR/><BR/>I haven't otherwise decided about a click at the beginning and requiring them to go to the end to get the reward. My understanding is the same as yours; they should get the reward for the click, because if you click and they blow it and you don't reward, then you're extinguishing the value of the click=reward.<BR/><BR/>Your list of things you're working on makes me feel like a total slacker! Guess I'll go out in the yard right now and work on SOMETHING with the dogs.<BR/><BR/>-ellenElfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01827436807468320435noreply@blogger.com